Elliot’s Debates: Volume 1

Journal of the Federal Convention

Friday, June 22, 1787.

It was moved and seconded to strike out the 3d clause in the 3d resolution, reported from the committee, namely, “to receive fixed stipends, by which they may be compensated for the devotion of their time to the public service;” and to substitute, “their stipends to be ascertained by the legislature, to be paid out of the public treasury.”

On the question being put, it passed in the negative.

Yeas: New Jersey, Pennsylvania, 2. Nays: Massachusetts, Connecticut, Delaware, Maryland, Virginia, North Carolina, South Carolina, 7. Divided: New York, Georgia, 2.

It was moved and seconded to strike the following words out of the 4th clause in the 3d resolution, reported from the committee, namely, “to be paid out of the public treasury.”

On the question to strike out the words, it passed in the negative.

Yeas: Massachusetts, Connecticut, North Carolina, South Carolina, 4. Nays: New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Delaware, Maryland, Virginia, 5. Divided: New York, Georgia, 2.

It was moved and seconded to strike the following words out of the 3d resolution, reported from the committee, namely, “to receive fixed stipends by which they may be compensated for the devotion of their time to public service;” and to substitute the following clause, namely, “to receive an adequate compensation for their services.”

On the question to agree to the amendment, it passed unanimously in the affirmative.

It was then moved and seconded to take the vote of the house on the whole proposition, namely:—”to receive an adequate compensation for their services, to be paid out of the public treasury.”

An objection of order being taken to this motion, it was submitted to the house.

And on the question, Is the motion in order? it passed in the affirmative.

Yeas: Connecticut, New Jersey, Delaware, Maryland, North Carolina, South Carolina, 6. Nays: New York, Pennsylvania, Virginia, Georgia, 4. Divided: Massachusetts, 1.

The determination of the house on the whole proposition was, on motion of the deputies of the state of South Carolina, postponed till to-morrow.

It was moved and seconded to add the following clause to the 3d resolution,—”to be of the age of twenty-five years at least,”—which passed in the affirmative.

Yeas: Connecticut, New Jersey, Delaware, Maryland, Virginia, North Carolina, South Carolina, 7. Nays: Massachusetts, Pennsylvania, Georgia, 3. Divided: New York, 1.

It was moved and seconded to strike out the following words in the last clause of the 3d resolution,—

“and under the national government for the space of one year after its expiration.”

On the question to strike out the words, it passed in the negative.

Yeas: Massachusetts, New Jersey, North Carolina, Georgia, 4. Nays: Connecticut, Maryland, Virginia, South Carolina, 4. Divided: New York, Pennsylvania, Delaware, 3.

And then the house adjourned till to-morrow, at 11 o’clock, A. M.

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